@Kidhedera
Make sense

Oh yeah that makes sense, I can already see the way just generating for *everyone* would lead to massive lag (especially if you have more counties added or something).

I just added a LOT more NPCs and a lo more chances for pregnancy so even more down the road so things are... hectic, and I will need a plague. I don't tend to play long games and I like using this as a population simulator so for me having everyone there is important, but that definitely isn't the way most people want to play the game.

I don't think that changing the main mod would be the vibe, its very excellent for what it does, but I figured if someone else wanted to make similar changes knowing that its very easy to make yours and the other more compatible is very easy might be helpful.

@Kidhedera
There are a lot more children in the game that are missing parents but this mod is only intended to deal with the children of playable rulers.

I didn't want to bloat the game but felt the playable rulers children needed to have parents, hence this mod but it won't suit everyone's purposes. Happy you found a solution for your requirements though.

I quite like this mod, but was disappointed to see it only generating a fraction of the missing parents I'd expect. (Without the mod I had 700ish with 'live father, unknown mother' and with it I still had 300+).

I ended up downloading 'generate mothers' and adding the trigger to start your mod in its game rule, so basically the game does a pass generating spouses according to your rules (with the personally customised spouse template I replaced yours with) and then fills in the rest with the other mods spouses.

After this fix I had only ~80 NPCs with only one parent, and those were largely courtiers.

Its a cludgy solution, but it works well enough for my purposes :)

nevermind got it to work, my old man brain accidently named the file name the default file name.

for some reason my code disables the new nomad gui and i have no clue why it makes no sense at all lol

@FunGaming44
Cool, glad it worked

Just letting you know from the looks of it i got it to work, thanks for the help friend

@Lost Nomad Going to try that out thanks for the info friend

@FunGaming44
It's not something I would want to maintain.

But you can do that yourself very easily, just duplicate events game_rule.1000 and game_rule.1001

In your 1000 change every_independent_ruler to every_barony which yields a landed_title target so you'll have to use holder then remove the every_vassal_or_below block

In your 1001 remove is_playable_character = yes

Then just add a custom on_game_start_after_lobby to start your 1000 event

Is there anyway you can make a simular one but then one that generates missing family for barony level holders ? I always notice that every baron / mayor has no family at all as if they are just thrown out there would love to see them all have family, wife, kids, parents etc,

@finallyciv
No, the mod only creates spouses or concubines in two situations, if it can't assign the parentless children to an existing spouse/concubine.

1) If a male ruler has children with no mother then it creates a female spouse/concubine
2) If a female ruler has children with no father then it creates a male spouse/concubine

Somehow many male rulers are married to men at the start of the game. Could this mod have something to do with it?

thank you !

@Ventulus fix has been pushed, should be good now

@Ventulus
Great Liao - This is a vanilla bug, Paradox did not marry the ruler to his son's mother.
Aley - This is a vanilla bug, Paradox did not marry the ruler to his son's mother.

Qocho - This is indeed a edge case bug in my mod. I will push a update some time tonight.

I'd say thanks for finding the bug but now because of you there is some poor old lady generated in the game, close to the end of her own life, with a dead child to mourn over before she herself dies. Shame on you

Some might be issues of the vanilla game. Start in 1066 ,for example. In Great Liao the ruler Khan Hongji,has a living son Jun. Jun has father and mother.but they are unmarried.so Khan Hongji has no wife. In Qocho,the ruler Idiqut Kul,has a dead son Prince Uge,but no wife.this mod did not generate a wife and mother.In Aley ,Chieftain Kobyak has 3 sons and no wife. The sons have father and mother.but they are unmarried.

@Ventulus
Can you give me more to go on, I can't check every character in a region randomly, and what start date?

And are you sure they character without a wife is a ruler, because this mod only generates spouses for rulers.

fail to generate in some eastern Han country

@finallyciv It will jump start the population to about where it would normally be about 25-30 years into a playthrough when born characters have parents. Essentially, this mod does very little after the initial world creation.

What is your experience of the effect of this mod on performance?

@lcrump13
No I have no mod like that.

You should be able to do that with one of the cheat mods like Divine Intervention Cheat Menu or Advanced Cheat Menu.

Do you have a Mod that can clear traits? So if someone refuses to marry or joins the silent sisters, becomes a maester, etc that you didn't want you can click on that character and edit them to remove everything?

Ah, right! I meant Oucydd actually. I didn't realize only rulers got wives. Hmm. Okay!

@HeirandtheSpare
Strathclyde is in Scotland and is the main title of the brother-in-law of the King of Scotland hence his realm is called Strathclyde and his realm spans the Scotland/England border into Cumbria.

The guy you named originally Dyfnwal is a 6 year old child which is why he doesn't have a wife

His father Oucydd map Rhun (alt Clut) doesn't have a wife because he is not a ruler.

The GMP mod only generates wives/concubines for rulers.

in 867 He's the Grandson of the ruler of Strathclylde, House name is Alt Clut. Sorry, I had a typo in my other message. Strathclyde is in Cumbria, (Northumbria) north of London. Culture is "Byronic". His father is married to the King of Alba's (Scotland) sister, Morag, who is his mother. Her house name is Alpin. Hope that helps!

@HeirandtheSpare
I can't find any character with that name in any of the starting years.

Gimme some more details to track him down, like which start year and what county does he hold?

Dyfnwal Alt Cult (In Northumbria, UK) is missing a wife. I saw a few Asian rulers as well, but I forgot their names. I'll report them if I see them.

Thank you! I appreciate that.

@HeirandtheSpare
Okay, done, there's two new game rules to control congenital traits. The default rule is as per the original mod.
Also only noble parents are generated now, which I thought I fixed a long time back.

Hahaha, that's true, but damn! I guess for now I will just use DNA from my pretty courtiers collection. They are all getting makeovers!

@HeirandtheSpare
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

I can add a game rule for no negative fuglies but can't say how quickly, though probably not that far off, and it won't be save game compatible but as the mod is a game starter that shouldn't be an issue.

Okay, so let me just say that I LOVE your mods, and I have quite a few of them. I also love this mod, except.....in my current play-through, I noticed that one of the wives that was picked to be the Duchess of Strathclyde had an ugly trait.....and she was pretty hideous. Her son however, is an absolute TRAIN WRECK. He's got to be one of the ugliest men I've ever seen in the game. And in several instances the women that were chosen by your mod to be wives all had ugly traits, or stupid traits. Is it possible to not include women with negative traits to be the wives? In some instances the women were also lowborn, so I can't really comprehend why a Duke would marry a lowborn woman when she is both ugly and dumb. I assume you're pretty busy maintaining your mods, but perhaps you can fix this?

Had a lot of fun using this to setup multiple generations for my custom character, great-aunts/uncles, in-laws, etc., at game start. Had an entire set of noble families that supported my dynasty.

I understand.
It's a pity because in the medieval times (in Italy) popes families power was probably the only thing that really mattered.
Thank you all the same 😉

@alegdansk
Sorry but although that's a nice idea, it's a lot more complex than generating missing parents, there's just far too much work involved in such an endeavour to get them all to make sense to want to take that task on.

Can you please create a mod that generates also brothers and sisters of Popes, Bishops and Chaplains? 🙏🙂
It's totally not realistic that clerical characters have no family 😐
Thank you 😉

Ahh I see, I thought it would also generate up the line, thanks

@FunGaming44
You need to read the rule descriptions in context of the mod's description, because they are rules for the mod after all

"Generates missing parents for landed rulers children, including dead children "

So it only generates parents for children of landed rulers , which I thought made it clear they would be living rulers, not historic ones. Sorry if there is any ambiguity in that.

So it's not a case of how far up the bloodline they are, if your GF was still alive and a landed ruler, then if your GM never existed one would have been generated.

Ok, well it said in the description dead and alive so that is why I wonder lol

I believe it stems off existing children, to make sure they have parents.

Quick question does this not generate parents for dead people or did I misread that ? As in the wife of my Grandfather in my current game long dead but does this mod not take care of that or is that too far up the bloodline ?

@To infinity and beyond
tyvm for the loc, it should be live now

@Lazarox
It's working fine for me.
Could you be more specific, as in what did you check to determine it's not working?
Also what other mods are you using?

not working :(

@laxfeed
TC generally means a Total Conversion mod, for example the AGOT or LOTR mods.

What's the TC mod?

@fisto the robo
What makes you think the mod needs a compatch for LOTR?

When I tested GMP it created parents for the few parentless characters I could find, and from what I can tell from the LOTR code how it determines what a race is, GMP should create the correct racial parent for any children it does create a parent for.

"Drop me a line if you want a compatible version and I will consider the request."
Mod version for the LOTR mod? :)

@CaliBlueBear
Okay if most characters have missing parents then it's not working for you, sorry had to be sure what you meant by not working.
Some European rulers can have valid reasons for having parentless children after this mod runs, so I usually look at the rulers around the MENA region, specifically over by Ethiopia, Somalia and Yemen area, as they should definitely have parents after the mod runs.

MGR messes about with the GRs and afaik only keeps rules from other mods it supports, so any mod that has GRs will likely break if used with MGR unless MGR supports it.

However I only looked at MGR briefly to decide if I wanted to use it myself, and decided against it, so have no great insight into how it works, so I could be wrong.